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	<title>Comments on: Mars and Venus Go to Dental School</title>
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		<title>By: Linda Johnson, DDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Johnson, DDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a full-time, solo practitioner for 30 years who has also been a single mom raising two children, I know that I work harder than any man I know!  I was married during dental school to a fellow dental student and had we stayed married, I might not have worked full time time as a dentist - but I always worked hard. One never knows what life holds!  Being educated as a dentist allowed me to well support my children and working part time was not an option for me.  As my oldest is graduating from an Ivy League grad school this year and my youngest is an honor's student at our premier state university, and both are decent, honorable and giving people attests to a job well done as a mom.  THe fact that I run a successful practice that offers high quality care to many, employs a number of people well and contributes to society in many ways attests to my hard work in that arena.    

To accept or not accept individual applicants based on what they "might do" statistically does not take into account the many turns that any life may take.  I know of several male dentists - my former husband included - who do not practice full-time, switched to other professions,  became stay at home dads or just chose to not work and live off the largess of others.  To chose to accept applicants based on whether of not they will "give back" to the dental school is a narrow view as well.  There are many ways to contribute to the world.  Certainly raising children is "giving back" to the world at large and being well educated as a dentist gives a woman a sense of self-esteem that may enhance her skills as a mom.  Raising children well contributes to the next generation and the world  and is a far bigger contribution to the world than donating to a dental school. 

In my opinion, our field is overly self-absorbed.  Many dentists and dental schools think predominantly, "what's in it for me" rather than "if I give to others, I get what I need, too".  Dental schools need to choose candidates based on their abilities and also try to discern what is in the hearts and souls of candidates to choose compassionate students who realize that we are all in this world together and need to realize our inherent link to one another.  Those are not gender related feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a full-time, solo practitioner for 30 years who has also been a single mom raising two children, I know that I work harder than any man I know!  I was married during dental school to a fellow dental student and had we stayed married, I might not have worked full time time as a dentist - but I always worked hard. One never knows what life holds!  Being educated as a dentist allowed me to well support my children and working part time was not an option for me.  As my oldest is graduating from an Ivy League grad school this year and my youngest is an honor&#8217;s student at our premier state university, and both are decent, honorable and giving people attests to a job well done as a mom.  THe fact that I run a successful practice that offers high quality care to many, employs a number of people well and contributes to society in many ways attests to my hard work in that arena.    </p>
<p>To accept or not accept individual applicants based on what they &#8220;might do&#8221; statistically does not take into account the many turns that any life may take.  I know of several male dentists - my former husband included - who do not practice full-time, switched to other professions,  became stay at home dads or just chose to not work and live off the largess of others.  To chose to accept applicants based on whether of not they will &#8220;give back&#8221; to the dental school is a narrow view as well.  There are many ways to contribute to the world.  Certainly raising children is &#8220;giving back&#8221; to the world at large and being well educated as a dentist gives a woman a sense of self-esteem that may enhance her skills as a mom.  Raising children well contributes to the next generation and the world  and is a far bigger contribution to the world than donating to a dental school. </p>
<p>In my opinion, our field is overly self-absorbed.  Many dentists and dental schools think predominantly, &#8220;what&#8217;s in it for me&#8221; rather than &#8220;if I give to others, I get what I need, too&#8221;.  Dental schools need to choose candidates based on their abilities and also try to discern what is in the hearts and souls of candidates to choose compassionate students who realize that we are all in this world together and need to realize our inherent link to one another.  Those are not gender related feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina P. Mason, DDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina P. Mason, DDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is really fascinating!  I graduated from UCSF 21 years ago and thought this issue was pretty much moot then.  I have found dentistry to be a fantastically rewarding profession for me, for the person that I am and all aspects of my personality.  I happen to be a mother of four absolutely wonderful children, none of whom is choosing dentistry.  I am in the top 10% of producers nationally, so have I given due service to my fellow (excuse me) men?  I sincerely hope so.  I started a practice from scratch and built it to this level never working more than 30 hours a week, mainly because I felt so strongly that my primary responsibility was as a parent.  Now, my husband has retired and I am solely responsible for our income.  So, I work a few more hours.  Isn't that one of the beauties of dentistry?  I am so grateful to my dental school, for allowing me to finish my last year of school in two years because I had a baby, to my profession, for allowing me a flexible schedule to raise outstanding and amazing citizens of the world, and to my mentors, for teaching me to truly work "smarter, not harder."  It's been a great ride.  I know I will be working many years to come--I have the great equalizer of debt to pay back.  Also, I have given to the poor and underserved in my commmunity all along. Isn't the bottom line the individual, regardless of gender?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is really fascinating!  I graduated from UCSF 21 years ago and thought this issue was pretty much moot then.  I have found dentistry to be a fantastically rewarding profession for me, for the person that I am and all aspects of my personality.  I happen to be a mother of four absolutely wonderful children, none of whom is choosing dentistry.  I am in the top 10% of producers nationally, so have I given due service to my fellow (excuse me) men?  I sincerely hope so.  I started a practice from scratch and built it to this level never working more than 30 hours a week, mainly because I felt so strongly that my primary responsibility was as a parent.  Now, my husband has retired and I am solely responsible for our income.  So, I work a few more hours.  Isn&#8217;t that one of the beauties of dentistry?  I am so grateful to my dental school, for allowing me to finish my last year of school in two years because I had a baby, to my profession, for allowing me a flexible schedule to raise outstanding and amazing citizens of the world, and to my mentors, for teaching me to truly work &#8220;smarter, not harder.&#8221;  It&#8217;s been a great ride.  I know I will be working many years to come&#8211;I have the great equalizer of debt to pay back.  Also, I have given to the poor and underserved in my commmunity all along. Isn&#8217;t the bottom line the individual, regardless of gender?</p>
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		<title>By: Noelle Wilhelmsen, DDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noelle Wilhelmsen, DDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a completely different note, a huge reason that dentistry attracts men ande women alike is the flexibility of hours while still allowing a great earning capacity along with contributing to the health and welfare of the community. This profession is especially alluring to women, as they are most expected to devote their time to raising a family. 
 One's value in a profession does not lie in number of hours worked or measurable productivity, but in the sincerity and level of commitment and expertise in their contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a completely different note, a huge reason that dentistry attracts men ande women alike is the flexibility of hours while still allowing a great earning capacity along with contributing to the health and welfare of the community. This profession is especially alluring to women, as they are most expected to devote their time to raising a family.<br />
 One&#8217;s value in a profession does not lie in number of hours worked or measurable productivity, but in the sincerity and level of commitment and expertise in their contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Noelle Wilhelmsen, DDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noelle Wilhelmsen, DDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A seat in dental school guarantees that one will receive a dental education-- it is not a commitment to practice full time until age 65, nor is any other form of education a promise to dedicate one's life solely to that scope of work. No college requires or expects that its students must work full time in a chosen field until they retire. Although a portion of my taxes funds public instituions, I do not expect everyone that enters a certain program to be employed in that field throughout thier life. 

Men and women putting in quality time to raise a family is going to be much more benficial to the community than ensuring that everyone puts in a forty hour work week. Everyone has an equal right to education, and how they choose to use that education is entirely personal. My sister has a Master's Degree in Marriage and Family Therapy, but devotes her time to tutoring learning disabled math students. Her education gave her many tools to becoming a good teacher, wife, and mother. Was her seat in the program wasted since she doesn't practice full time? I believe her contributions are equally as important as if she were a therapist. 

As a result of their education, people are most likely going to benefit the community in other ways that may or may not include full time employment in a particular field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A seat in dental school guarantees that one will receive a dental education&#8211; it is not a commitment to practice full time until age 65, nor is any other form of education a promise to dedicate one&#8217;s life solely to that scope of work. No college requires or expects that its students must work full time in a chosen field until they retire. Although a portion of my taxes funds public instituions, I do not expect everyone that enters a certain program to be employed in that field throughout thier life. </p>
<p>Men and women putting in quality time to raise a family is going to be much more benficial to the community than ensuring that everyone puts in a forty hour work week. Everyone has an equal right to education, and how they choose to use that education is entirely personal. My sister has a Master&#8217;s Degree in Marriage and Family Therapy, but devotes her time to tutoring learning disabled math students. Her education gave her many tools to becoming a good teacher, wife, and mother. Was her seat in the program wasted since she doesn&#8217;t practice full time? I believe her contributions are equally as important as if she were a therapist. </p>
<p>As a result of their education, people are most likely going to benefit the community in other ways that may or may not include full time employment in a particular field.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Baker, DDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Baker, DDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any other profession in the United States that monitors the gender of applicants based on expected outcome of productivity in the future? Many professions (veterinary) have more women now than men. I am a woman who bought a practice 20 years ago from a man who worked just 15-20 hours a week and structured his schedule around golf.  Now where were his priotities? I took the practice and raise the productivity more than 800%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any other profession in the United States that monitors the gender of applicants based on expected outcome of productivity in the future? Many professions (veterinary) have more women now than men. I am a woman who bought a practice 20 years ago from a man who worked just 15-20 hours a week and structured his schedule around golf.  Now where were his priotities? I took the practice and raise the productivity more than 800%.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Crawford DDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Crawford DDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a male practice owner who recently went through a year of looking for a partner I believe the question needs to be addressed regarding the total production of the individual over their entire career.  We should look for applicants who have productive personna's as opposed to gender or other factors.  How do you judge this?  Market data of retiring dentists today with personality traits and undergraduate grades and scores might be helpful.  I'm sure the intellectual applicants of the past with no people or hand skills will howl if these types of criteria are used for admission today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a male practice owner who recently went through a year of looking for a partner I believe the question needs to be addressed regarding the total production of the individual over their entire career.  We should look for applicants who have productive personna&#8217;s as opposed to gender or other factors.  How do you judge this?  Market data of retiring dentists today with personality traits and undergraduate grades and scores might be helpful.  I&#8217;m sure the intellectual applicants of the past with no people or hand skills will howl if these types of criteria are used for admission today.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Egger DDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Egger DDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discrimination on any basis has no part in admissions policy.  We must take the best qualified applicants to hopefully produce the best dentists.  However, public state universities should try to recruit in-state students in the hopes that the state's taxpayers will get the most for their money.  I went to Michigan and believe most of my class practices in Michigan, unlike our law school where a great number of graduates leave the state for Chicago and New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discrimination on any basis has no part in admissions policy.  We must take the best qualified applicants to hopefully produce the best dentists.  However, public state universities should try to recruit in-state students in the hopes that the state&#8217;s taxpayers will get the most for their money.  I went to Michigan and believe most of my class practices in Michigan, unlike our law school where a great number of graduates leave the state for Chicago and New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Furuyama, DDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Furuyama, DDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a woman works 4 days a week she works part time.  When a male works 4 days a week he is efficient and successful.  

In an ideal world husbands would do the child care on an equal basis with the women, but this won't happen in my lifetime, so, yes, women will have to take time off to mother.  But they don't quit dentistry and in fact are much more productive after their children are grown and work more hours when men are "slowing down".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a woman works 4 days a week she works part time.  When a male works 4 days a week he is efficient and successful.  </p>
<p>In an ideal world husbands would do the child care on an equal basis with the women, but this won&#8217;t happen in my lifetime, so, yes, women will have to take time off to mother.  But they don&#8217;t quit dentistry and in fact are much more productive after their children are grown and work more hours when men are &#8220;slowing down&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Stannard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Stannard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a prosthodontist in a struggling Upstate New York market I feel the more females enter dental schools the better chance I have of filling my book and finding a part time associate. On the flip side, dental schools are supported by taxpayer money and as a taxpayer I want the best value for my money.  Perhaps a system to payback with work hours is in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a prosthodontist in a struggling Upstate New York market I feel the more females enter dental schools the better chance I have of filling my book and finding a part time associate. On the flip side, dental schools are supported by taxpayer money and as a taxpayer I want the best value for my money.  Perhaps a system to payback with work hours is in order.</p>
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		<title>By: victor wallock dmd,magd</title>
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		<dc:creator>victor wallock dmd,magd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a clinical instructor at the University of Conn 
School of Dental Medicine for over twelve years.  I have taught both men and women in this capacity.  I can honestly say that clinically the great students are of both genders as well as the poor students.  I really do not see a gender difference in the clinic..the only difference is between the good clinical student and the ones that need more time.

To me the issue is rather who will take ove (i.e. purchase) the practices that have been developed mosty by male dentists, who work long hours to serve their patients.  Another factor is the number of foreign born dental students'that will probably not settle in the US for their entire practice lifetime.

I often wonder what the admissions groups think when they
accept students..is it for their status or what is best for the dental patient population.  We have a rather unique situation in Connecticut in that a state financed scholl has
accepted a greater percentage of non-Connecticut residents than in state residents.  Selfishly,I guess, I look at that as a diminsihed pool of potential buyers of my practice. Since I've been affiliated with the school, which I did graduate from in 1978, I would say that less than 20% of the graduating dental class settle in Connecticut.

I agree that most women, not all, will practice limited hours and therefore may not be candidates to own a dental practice.  I think that it should be part of the consideration in admisssions policy but not the final determinant between a male and a female candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a clinical instructor at the University of Conn<br />
School of Dental Medicine for over twelve years.  I have taught both men and women in this capacity.  I can honestly say that clinically the great students are of both genders as well as the poor students.  I really do not see a gender difference in the clinic..the only difference is between the good clinical student and the ones that need more time.</p>
<p>To me the issue is rather who will take ove (i.e. purchase) the practices that have been developed mosty by male dentists, who work long hours to serve their patients.  Another factor is the number of foreign born dental students&#8217;that will probably not settle in the US for their entire practice lifetime.</p>
<p>I often wonder what the admissions groups think when they<br />
accept students..is it for their status or what is best for the dental patient population.  We have a rather unique situation in Connecticut in that a state financed scholl has<br />
accepted a greater percentage of non-Connecticut residents than in state residents.  Selfishly,I guess, I look at that as a diminsihed pool of potential buyers of my practice. Since I&#8217;ve been affiliated with the school, which I did graduate from in 1978, I would say that less than 20% of the graduating dental class settle in Connecticut.</p>
<p>I agree that most women, not all, will practice limited hours and therefore may not be candidates to own a dental practice.  I think that it should be part of the consideration in admisssions policy but not the final determinant between a male and a female candidate.</p>
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